Nifty Trades for 19/02/2013

123 Comments
19/02/2013 09:00  Trend: Positive, SL: 5885
19/02/2013 14:55  SL Trailed: 5900
19/02/2013 15:15  SL Trailed: 5915
19/02/2013 15:25  SL Trailed: 5922

 
  1. Replies
    1. I m ok.. Thanks for asking... What about you.. And what are your holding now?

      Delete
    2. I'm doing fine, thank you.
      Investment wise I'm holding around 10 stocks for long term.
      Trading wise I'm not holding anything now. I'm taking a little break for Trading.
      Will be back soon. :)

      Delete
    3. hey VS, but still following markets.

      How about ur positions/holdings?

      Delete
    4. Hi mahy.. Currently i am holding nothing.. But SBI looks weak today. What is your view on SBI?

      Delete
    5. My View,
      SBI had nice support around 2200 and Resistance around 2300 for Feb Series. Consider going long with it on dips (trade in low quantity) and maintain tight stoploss since markets are not bullish.
      Check with Sunil as well on this, he provides better insight.

      Thanks
      Mahy

      Delete
    6. ok thanks for giving your view...:)

      Delete
  2. Sir,

    Good Morning.
    Your view on DLF, Cipla & Relinfra intraday.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Hi sundaresh, Good Morning, DLF looks good above 259, can head to 269, can buy on dip with sl below 259. Cipla is in pullback mode, Res 391, Avoid it. Relinfra failed to break above 488, Can re-test 475.

      Delete
  3. HI SUNIL,
    WHAT TO DO TODAY ? lost 10k in last trading? want to recover.any sureshort call for today?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Hi pradip, Sorry to hear about your loss. No call as yet. Markets showing almost no momentum as of now.

      Delete
  4. Hello sir,
    Whether can we long Nifty keeping TSL 5885?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Hi Krishna, Yes, In very small qty.

      Delete
    2. In that case ,6000 ce is a better bUy at CMP?

      Delete
    3. Hi pradip,
      If the market is range bound, the time value will reduce the option prices

      Delete
    4. Pradip/All, you need to keep thing few things in account while trading options
      1) time left for expiry
      2) likelihood of moving underlying(Stock/Index) towards strike with in the time period
      3) implied volatility of options (As IV is high, premium will be more and vice versa)
      4) Risk Reward (what if underlying goes against me, how much I loose and what if underlying does not change...)
      5) How long you wanna hold the option if nothing going is happening in our favour
      6) Set StopLoss/Target upfront (based on the underlying levels)
      7) etc

      These things might help us.
      If I missed anything please add and share the knowledge to others.

      Thanks
      Mahy

      Delete
  5. Hey Guys.

    FYI :
    Yesterday NIFTY OI:
    5600PE OI up by 8.4%
    6000CE OI up by 16.5%
    5900CE OI up by 6.7%

    It seems NIFTY indicates we might go south a bit. Please share your thoughts Sunil.

    Thanks
    Mahy

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Hi Mahy, Max OI in Nifty still on 6000CE and 5900PE indicating range bound movement. Technically, Only after a close below 5885, would indicate a range breakdown.

      Delete
    2. Okay Sunil.
      I would not prefer to go long at these moment.
      Still, I'll stick to the idea of "Sell On Rise"
      Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

      Delete
  6. hi sunil, today seems to be a no trade day?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Hi Pradip, As momentum is weak, One may buy futures or short puts following strict SL.

      Delete
  7. Hey Sunil, How r u man ? Market is so boring. Max OI in 5900 put and 6000 Call. 15-20 mins back I think Max Put had shifted to 5800, So I had shorted nifty, again when I saw OI max OI put had shifted back to 5900 :-(

    Robotguy

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Hi Robotguy, Nice to see you. Track OI changes only on day-end basis. Intraday changes are caused due to intraday traders and may reflect false picture.

      Delete
    2. Yes its true just took a risk. I think till budget market will be like this and on or before budget day market movers will pull up the market and anyway Govt is going to give lot of goodies to FII's. :-)

      Robotguy

      Delete
    3. Hey Robotguy, good to see you.
      That's Right. :)

      Delete
  8. hi sunil, ur views on jp associates/ can i buy it?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Hi Pradip, Has strong Resistance near 75. Wait for a breakout above 75 to go long on it.

      Delete
  9. Sunil,

    Say :
    Underlying Trading at 5900
    5800PE FEB-13@20
    6000CE FEB-13@21
    (Lets ignore commissions of simplicity)
    Premium Collected is 41

    Target would be : Overall Premium let it come to zero :)

    But If markets started to move in either of the direction, then What is the optimal stop-loss for "Short Strangle"?

    Please provide the details how to calculate it?

    Thanks
    Mahy

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Hi Mahy, optimal sl difficult to calculate. SL should ideally be kept at technical resistance and support levels. However one should keep a drastic SL level which can be 75-100% of total premium for either of the shorts. If total premium is 41, then can keep sl at 30.75/41 for each of the 2 shorts.

      Delete
    2. Okay.
      Thank you Sunil for the info.

      I was thinking something like 30%(or certain %) rise in the overall premium, then we square off the trade. (in this example: 53.3 is my stop loss on overall premium with 30% on end-of-day basis)

      Delete
    3. Hi Mahy, Yes that can be done as well, but for that you need to monitor the strangle all the time. Keeping individual SL, one can set sl on exchange and forget about it for the day.

      Delete
    4. Yeah, that's valid point if someone wants to exit the trade during the market hours, time consuming though.

      Thank you Sunil!

      Delete
  10. For Intraday :
    NIFTY is forming higher highs and higher lows from 10:00AM till now.
    Sad Part is : within 10 points range. :(

    ReplyDelete
  11. good afternoon sirji
    holding calls with sl of 5885,do you want me to exit from calls immed if nifty breaks below 5885 on 5 min chart?

    ReplyDelete
  12. Hi SR

    Levels of Jindalstel, please

    ReplyDelete
  13. vl do it but do you think it is possible to break 5885 level today?
    thank you so much guruji.

    ReplyDelete
  14. SIR JI
    ONE THINS MORE I HAVE IDEA FUTURE AT 110 ,
    BUT NOW ITS DOWN TO 107.7
    CAN HOLD OR EXIT AND BOOK LOSS

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Exit on any bounce, strong res near 111, Keep SL below 106.5 (spot)

      Delete
  15. Nifty is struggling to stay above support level, if it fails how much will it go downward?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Hi Krishna, Downside targets only after breakdown.

      Delete
  16. sirji, support of 5885 is not broken on 5 min right?
    can we see a strong pull back from here to 5950?

    ReplyDelete
  17. at which level should i short l&t and bhel?

    ReplyDelete
  18. Sir,
    DLF had moved upto 269. Can it move further upside.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Hi Sundaresh, If holding, book part profits and hold the rest for next target of 274

      Delete
  19. Hi SR, Can we buy jaiprakash associates?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Wait till tomorrow. Can go long on dips only after it gives a close above 75

      Delete
  20. Sir, entered Nifty, pl. update the TSL

    ReplyDelete
  21. Those who entered Nifty may book part profits near 5921-24 and rest near 5934-37

    ReplyDelete
  22. Sir shall I re-enter 6100 calls (18 lots) .

    ReplyDelete
  23. excellent prediction sirji
    hats-off to you
    many many thanks

    ReplyDelete
  24. Ok Sir holding 5 lots of 6100 calls , can I continue to hold these .

    ReplyDelete
  25. Book Full profits in Nifty near 5934-37

    ReplyDelete
  26. A close above 5945, will give Nifty a positive outlook for short term ....

    ReplyDelete
  27. Sir, bought Nifty Fut@5900, exited @5955
    Thanks

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Hi Krishna, Great :) My order was placed earlier at 5945. Didn't expect so much rise in the premiums. :)

      Delete
    2. Generally I like to proceed with SL sell/ buy,just 10 points below setting the trig level and updating as per nifty advances. Finally square off at a instance & cancelled the SL sell.

      Delete
    3. That's nice, but sometimes it pains if the sl just triggers and the move continues.

      Delete
    4. Defensive approach, loss can be minimized but maxm profit can not be assured most of the times

      Delete
    5. In fact, I generally judge the premium, and place my order accordingly and modify it if needed. Today also, I was about to modify it when Nifty crossed 5925, but before I could modify, my order was already executed. hehe

      Delete
    6. But no issues. I had also shorted few 5800PEs, which gave me great returns as well. :)

      Delete
    7. Great,Thank you sir for your continuous support

      Delete
  28. Sir , Thanks I exited remaining 5 lots of 6100 calls near 5940 . Now shall I re-enter all my 23 lots of 6100 calls , if nifty closes above 5945 .

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Most Welcome.
      No. Have patience. Option IVs are high for calls today. Let it settle down

      Delete
  29. Hi SR, Nice call.. What a prediction....!!

    ReplyDelete
  30. Sir now I am holding no calls , however I am holding 4 lots of 5900 FEB PUT (@ 60 each) and 1 lot of 6000 March PUT (@ 146) . Please advice.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Hi Sonu, Exit puts if Nifty trades above 5945 during first hour of trading.

      Delete
    2. Ok sir , I will exit PUTs above 5945 (1st hour trading). And can I buy 6100 FEB calls (20 lots) above 5945 (hourly closing) .

      Delete
    3. Hi Sonu, No. Never enter options during a rally/decline. Let it settle down and consolidate. That's the time to enter.

      Delete
    4. Ok Sir , In that case can I enter Nifty Future above 5945 (5 min . closing) .

      Delete
  31. sirji,was not online in last moment to book profit in calls today.
    do market open gap up or down tomorrow,at what level should i book profit in calls?
    one more question,what is options IV?
    many thanks for guidance and support

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Hi sbrj, Book profits at opening tomorrow.

      Opening depends on global cues. Europe is trading strong. Lets see how US close today. Likely to be positive.

      IV stands for Implied Volatility. Options tend to factor in hypothetical price movements in advance. And as such gain more premium than its fair value increasing its volatility more than its actual volatility. Its caused due to excessive buying during rallies/declines or before a major event. Options return to their fair value once the euphoria of the rally/decline/event ends.

      It is best to sell options on such rallies/declines as you may not get such premiums again.

      Delete
    2. Good evening sir,
      To sell options need a handsome funds(span & exposure)to be deposited to the broker and naturally its difficult to enter more lots, but its safe.On the other hand if we enter buy calls only the premiums are needed and naturally we can go for more lots.
      Whether the rate of increase of option calls(CE) is more than that of the rate of decline of sell options(PE)during rallies?

      Delete
    3. Good Evening Krishna,

      Margin needed for shorting options is at max equal to that for futures. ATM and OTM options require lesser margin.
      Definitely the gain in CE is more than the decline in PE during rallies.

      But shorting options has many more benefits, few of them are here:
      1. As margin needed is higher, it keeps your risk managements under control.
      2. As it contains risk of unlimited losses, keeps you disciplined to follow SL
      3. Gains are higher, as you gain during sideways, trends, rallies/declines.
      4. Losses are lesser, as you gain decay till your SL is triggered.
      5. Need not hurry to book profits in OTM options.

      Delete
    4. GM Sir, Noted and thanks a lot

      Delete
  32. Hello Sunil,

    My bad... i am holding Axis bank since two days..but it is not participated i nthe rally today :)

    But i exited near my buy price...

    can we expect rally tomorrow also ?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Hi ravii, Nifty has strong resistance at 5945. If Nifty manages to sustain above 5945 (hourly closing) can head ahead to 5977 level. Overall Nifty is still range bound within 5885-5977 (closing basis).

      Read: Technical View on Nifty as on 04/02/2013

      Delete