I'm doing fine, thank you. Investment wise I'm holding around 10 stocks for long term. Trading wise I'm not holding anything now. I'm taking a little break for Trading. Will be back soon. :)
My View, SBI had nice support around 2200 and Resistance around 2300 for Feb Series. Consider going long with it on dips (trade in low quantity) and maintain tight stoploss since markets are not bullish. Check with Sunil as well on this, he provides better insight.
Hi sundaresh, Good Morning, DLF looks good above 259, can head to 269, can buy on dip with sl below 259. Cipla is in pullback mode, Res 391, Avoid it. Relinfra failed to break above 488, Can re-test 475.
Pradip/All, you need to keep thing few things in account while trading options 1) time left for expiry 2) likelihood of moving underlying(Stock/Index) towards strike with in the time period 3) implied volatility of options (As IV is high, premium will be more and vice versa) 4) Risk Reward (what if underlying goes against me, how much I loose and what if underlying does not change...) 5) How long you wanna hold the option if nothing going is happening in our favour 6) Set StopLoss/Target upfront (based on the underlying levels) 7) etc
These things might help us. If I missed anything please add and share the knowledge to others.
Hi Mahy, Max OI in Nifty still on 6000CE and 5900PE indicating range bound movement. Technically, Only after a close below 5885, would indicate a range breakdown.
Hey Sunil, How r u man ? Market is so boring. Max OI in 5900 put and 6000 Call. 15-20 mins back I think Max Put had shifted to 5800, So I had shorted nifty, again when I saw OI max OI put had shifted back to 5900 :-(
Hi Robotguy, Nice to see you. Track OI changes only on day-end basis. Intraday changes are caused due to intraday traders and may reflect false picture.
Yes its true just took a risk. I think till budget market will be like this and on or before budget day market movers will pull up the market and anyway Govt is going to give lot of goodies to FII's. :-)
Hi Mahy, optimal sl difficult to calculate. SL should ideally be kept at technical resistance and support levels. However one should keep a drastic SL level which can be 75-100% of total premium for either of the shorts. If total premium is 41, then can keep sl at 30.75/41 for each of the 2 shorts.
I was thinking something like 30%(or certain %) rise in the overall premium, then we square off the trade. (in this example: 53.3 is my stop loss on overall premium with 30% on end-of-day basis)
Hi Mahy, Yes that can be done as well, but for that you need to monitor the strangle all the time. Keeping individual SL, one can set sl on exchange and forget about it for the day.
Generally I like to proceed with SL sell/ buy,just 10 points below setting the trig level and updating as per nifty advances. Finally square off at a instance & cancelled the SL sell.
In fact, I generally judge the premium, and place my order accordingly and modify it if needed. Today also, I was about to modify it when Nifty crossed 5925, but before I could modify, my order was already executed. hehe
sirji,was not online in last moment to book profit in calls today. do market open gap up or down tomorrow,at what level should i book profit in calls? one more question,what is options IV? many thanks for guidance and support
Opening depends on global cues. Europe is trading strong. Lets see how US close today. Likely to be positive.
IV stands for Implied Volatility. Options tend to factor in hypothetical price movements in advance. And as such gain more premium than its fair value increasing its volatility more than its actual volatility. Its caused due to excessive buying during rallies/declines or before a major event. Options return to their fair value once the euphoria of the rally/decline/event ends.
It is best to sell options on such rallies/declines as you may not get such premiums again.
Good evening sir, To sell options need a handsome funds(span & exposure)to be deposited to the broker and naturally its difficult to enter more lots, but its safe.On the other hand if we enter buy calls only the premiums are needed and naturally we can go for more lots. Whether the rate of increase of option calls(CE) is more than that of the rate of decline of sell options(PE)during rallies?
Margin needed for shorting options is at max equal to that for futures. ATM and OTM options require lesser margin. Definitely the gain in CE is more than the decline in PE during rallies.
But shorting options has many more benefits, few of them are here: 1. As margin needed is higher, it keeps your risk managements under control. 2. As it contains risk of unlimited losses, keeps you disciplined to follow SL 3. Gains are higher, as you gain during sideways, trends, rallies/declines. 4. Losses are lesser, as you gain decay till your SL is triggered. 5. Need not hurry to book profits in OTM options.
Hi ravii, Nifty has strong resistance at 5945. If Nifty manages to sustain above 5945 (hourly closing) can head ahead to 5977 level. Overall Nifty is still range bound within 5885-5977 (closing basis).
Good Morning SR Sir...
ReplyDeleteCan we short SBI today?
DeleteNot yet.
DeleteGood Morning Sir..
ReplyDeleteGood Morning Shashi
DeleteGood Morning Sunil/Readers
ReplyDeleteGood morning mahy....
DeleteGood Morning Mahy
DeleteGood morning Vibhor,
DeleteHow are you doing?
I m ok.. Thanks for asking... What about you.. And what are your holding now?
DeleteI'm doing fine, thank you.
DeleteInvestment wise I'm holding around 10 stocks for long term.
Trading wise I'm not holding anything now. I'm taking a little break for Trading.
Will be back soon. :)
ok..nice..
Deletehey VS, but still following markets.
DeleteHow about ur positions/holdings?
Hi mahy.. Currently i am holding nothing.. But SBI looks weak today. What is your view on SBI?
DeleteMy View,
DeleteSBI had nice support around 2200 and Resistance around 2300 for Feb Series. Consider going long with it on dips (trade in low quantity) and maintain tight stoploss since markets are not bullish.
Check with Sunil as well on this, he provides better insight.
Thanks
Mahy
ok thanks for giving your view...:)
DeleteGood Morning Krishna
ReplyDeleteHello Sunil,
ReplyDeleteGood Morning..
Good Morning ravii
DeleteSir,
ReplyDeleteGood Morning.
Your view on DLF, Cipla & Relinfra intraday.
Hi sundaresh, Good Morning, DLF looks good above 259, can head to 269, can buy on dip with sl below 259. Cipla is in pullback mode, Res 391, Avoid it. Relinfra failed to break above 488, Can re-test 475.
DeleteHI SUNIL,
ReplyDeleteWHAT TO DO TODAY ? lost 10k in last trading? want to recover.any sureshort call for today?
Hi pradip, Sorry to hear about your loss. No call as yet. Markets showing almost no momentum as of now.
DeleteHello Mahi,
ReplyDeleteGood Morning..
Good Morning Ravi
DeleteSir,
ReplyDeleteThanks.
Hello sir,
ReplyDeleteWhether can we long Nifty keeping TSL 5885?
Hi Krishna, Yes, In very small qty.
DeleteIn that case ,6000 ce is a better bUy at CMP?
DeleteHi pradip,
DeleteIf the market is range bound, the time value will reduce the option prices
Pradip/All, you need to keep thing few things in account while trading options
Delete1) time left for expiry
2) likelihood of moving underlying(Stock/Index) towards strike with in the time period
3) implied volatility of options (As IV is high, premium will be more and vice versa)
4) Risk Reward (what if underlying goes against me, how much I loose and what if underlying does not change...)
5) How long you wanna hold the option if nothing going is happening in our favour
6) Set StopLoss/Target upfront (based on the underlying levels)
7) etc
These things might help us.
If I missed anything please add and share the knowledge to others.
Thanks
Mahy
Nice tips Mahy :)
DeleteThanks Sunil :)
DeleteHey Guys.
ReplyDeleteFYI :
Yesterday NIFTY OI:
5600PE OI up by 8.4%
6000CE OI up by 16.5%
5900CE OI up by 6.7%
It seems NIFTY indicates we might go south a bit. Please share your thoughts Sunil.
Thanks
Mahy
Hi Mahy, Max OI in Nifty still on 6000CE and 5900PE indicating range bound movement. Technically, Only after a close below 5885, would indicate a range breakdown.
DeleteOkay Sunil.
DeleteI would not prefer to go long at these moment.
Still, I'll stick to the idea of "Sell On Rise"
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Most Welcome Mahy.
Deletehi sunil, today seems to be a no trade day?
ReplyDeleteHi Pradip, As momentum is weak, One may buy futures or short puts following strict SL.
DeleteHey Sunil, How r u man ? Market is so boring. Max OI in 5900 put and 6000 Call. 15-20 mins back I think Max Put had shifted to 5800, So I had shorted nifty, again when I saw OI max OI put had shifted back to 5900 :-(
ReplyDeleteRobotguy
Hi Robotguy, Nice to see you. Track OI changes only on day-end basis. Intraday changes are caused due to intraday traders and may reflect false picture.
DeleteYes its true just took a risk. I think till budget market will be like this and on or before budget day market movers will pull up the market and anyway Govt is going to give lot of goodies to FII's. :-)
DeleteRobotguy
Hey Robotguy, good to see you.
DeleteThat's Right. :)
Yes, quite true.
Deletehi sunil, ur views on jp associates/ can i buy it?
ReplyDeleteHi Pradip, Has strong Resistance near 75. Wait for a breakout above 75 to go long on it.
DeleteSunil,
ReplyDeleteSay :
Underlying Trading at 5900
5800PE FEB-13@20
6000CE FEB-13@21
(Lets ignore commissions of simplicity)
Premium Collected is 41
Target would be : Overall Premium let it come to zero :)
But If markets started to move in either of the direction, then What is the optimal stop-loss for "Short Strangle"?
Please provide the details how to calculate it?
Thanks
Mahy
Hi Mahy, optimal sl difficult to calculate. SL should ideally be kept at technical resistance and support levels. However one should keep a drastic SL level which can be 75-100% of total premium for either of the shorts. If total premium is 41, then can keep sl at 30.75/41 for each of the 2 shorts.
DeleteOkay.
DeleteThank you Sunil for the info.
I was thinking something like 30%(or certain %) rise in the overall premium, then we square off the trade. (in this example: 53.3 is my stop loss on overall premium with 30% on end-of-day basis)
Hi Mahy, Yes that can be done as well, but for that you need to monitor the strangle all the time. Keeping individual SL, one can set sl on exchange and forget about it for the day.
DeleteYeah, that's valid point if someone wants to exit the trade during the market hours, time consuming though.
DeleteThank you Sunil!
For Intraday :
ReplyDeleteNIFTY is forming higher highs and higher lows from 10:00AM till now.
Sad Part is : within 10 points range. :(
hmmm...
Deletegood afternoon sirji
ReplyDeleteholding calls with sl of 5885,do you want me to exit from calls immed if nifty breaks below 5885 on 5 min chart?
Hi sbrj, yes, that would be fine.
DeleteHi SR
ReplyDeleteLevels of Jindalstel, please
Hi sdkbest, Support near 365
Deletevl do it but do you think it is possible to break 5885 level today?
ReplyDeletethank you so much guruji.
Hi sbrj, Most Welcome. Not sure as yet.
DeleteHELLO SIR
ReplyDeleteCAN I BUY INFY 2800 CE
Hi Pravin, Enter only if it breaks and sustains above 2810
DeleteTHANKS SIR JI
DeleteMost Welcome.
DeleteSIR JI
ReplyDeleteONE THINS MORE I HAVE IDEA FUTURE AT 110 ,
BUT NOW ITS DOWN TO 107.7
CAN HOLD OR EXIT AND BOOK LOSS
Exit on any bounce, strong res near 111, Keep SL below 106.5 (spot)
DeleteNifty is struggling to stay above support level, if it fails how much will it go downward?
ReplyDeleteHi Krishna, Downside targets only after breakdown.
Deletesirji, support of 5885 is not broken on 5 min right?
ReplyDeletecan we see a strong pull back from here to 5950?
Upside targets: 5924, 5937
Deletemany thanks sirji.
ReplyDeleteMost Welcome.
Deleteat which level should i short l&t and bhel?
ReplyDeleteLT 1474/ sl 1489, Bhel 213/ sl 215.5
DeleteSir,
ReplyDeleteDLF had moved upto 269. Can it move further upside.
Hi Sundaresh, If holding, book part profits and hold the rest for next target of 274
DeleteHi SR, Can we buy jaiprakash associates?
ReplyDeleteWait till tomorrow. Can go long on dips only after it gives a close above 75
DeleteSir, entered Nifty, pl. update the TSL
ReplyDeleteWill update after it stops trailing :)
DeleteSir,
ReplyDeleteThanks a ton.
Most Welcome.
DeleteThose who entered Nifty may book part profits near 5921-24 and rest near 5934-37
ReplyDeleteSir shall I re-enter 6100 calls (18 lots) .
ReplyDeleteToo Late now.
Deleteexcellent prediction sirji
ReplyDeletehats-off to you
many many thanks
Most Welcome and Thanks.
DeleteOk Sir holding 5 lots of 6100 calls , can I continue to hold these .
ReplyDeleteBook them near 5934-37
DeleteBook Full profits in Nifty near 5934-37
ReplyDeleteGood Analysis.
DeleteGreat going.
Hi Mahy, Thanks. :)
DeleteA close above 5945, will give Nifty a positive outlook for short term ....
ReplyDeleteSir, bought Nifty Fut@5900, exited @5955
ReplyDeleteThanks
Cool Krishna!
DeleteHi Krishna, Great :) My order was placed earlier at 5945. Didn't expect so much rise in the premiums. :)
DeleteGenerally I like to proceed with SL sell/ buy,just 10 points below setting the trig level and updating as per nifty advances. Finally square off at a instance & cancelled the SL sell.
DeleteThat's nice, but sometimes it pains if the sl just triggers and the move continues.
DeleteDefensive approach, loss can be minimized but maxm profit can not be assured most of the times
DeleteIn fact, I generally judge the premium, and place my order accordingly and modify it if needed. Today also, I was about to modify it when Nifty crossed 5925, but before I could modify, my order was already executed. hehe
DeleteBut no issues. I had also shorted few 5800PEs, which gave me great returns as well. :)
DeleteGreat,Thank you sir for your continuous support
DeleteAlways Welcome.
DeleteSir , Thanks I exited remaining 5 lots of 6100 calls near 5940 . Now shall I re-enter all my 23 lots of 6100 calls , if nifty closes above 5945 .
ReplyDeleteMost Welcome.
DeleteNo. Have patience. Option IVs are high for calls today. Let it settle down
Hi SR, Nice call.. What a prediction....!!
ReplyDeleteHi Vibhor, Thanks.
DeleteSir now I am holding no calls , however I am holding 4 lots of 5900 FEB PUT (@ 60 each) and 1 lot of 6000 March PUT (@ 146) . Please advice.
ReplyDeleteHi Sonu, Exit puts if Nifty trades above 5945 during first hour of trading.
DeleteOk sir , I will exit PUTs above 5945 (1st hour trading). And can I buy 6100 FEB calls (20 lots) above 5945 (hourly closing) .
DeleteHi Sonu, No. Never enter options during a rally/decline. Let it settle down and consolidate. That's the time to enter.
DeleteOk Sir , In that case can I enter Nifty Future above 5945 (5 min . closing) .
DeleteNo. Always wait for trades.
DeleteRead Guide to Successful Trading
sirji,was not online in last moment to book profit in calls today.
ReplyDeletedo market open gap up or down tomorrow,at what level should i book profit in calls?
one more question,what is options IV?
many thanks for guidance and support
Hi sbrj, Book profits at opening tomorrow.
DeleteOpening depends on global cues. Europe is trading strong. Lets see how US close today. Likely to be positive.
IV stands for Implied Volatility. Options tend to factor in hypothetical price movements in advance. And as such gain more premium than its fair value increasing its volatility more than its actual volatility. Its caused due to excessive buying during rallies/declines or before a major event. Options return to their fair value once the euphoria of the rally/decline/event ends.
It is best to sell options on such rallies/declines as you may not get such premiums again.
Good evening sir,
DeleteTo sell options need a handsome funds(span & exposure)to be deposited to the broker and naturally its difficult to enter more lots, but its safe.On the other hand if we enter buy calls only the premiums are needed and naturally we can go for more lots.
Whether the rate of increase of option calls(CE) is more than that of the rate of decline of sell options(PE)during rallies?
Good Evening Krishna,
DeleteMargin needed for shorting options is at max equal to that for futures. ATM and OTM options require lesser margin.
Definitely the gain in CE is more than the decline in PE during rallies.
But shorting options has many more benefits, few of them are here:
1. As margin needed is higher, it keeps your risk managements under control.
2. As it contains risk of unlimited losses, keeps you disciplined to follow SL
3. Gains are higher, as you gain during sideways, trends, rallies/declines.
4. Losses are lesser, as you gain decay till your SL is triggered.
5. Need not hurry to book profits in OTM options.
GM Sir, Noted and thanks a lot
DeleteThanks for your support.....:)
ReplyDeleteAlways Welcome. :)
DeleteHello Sunil
ReplyDeleteGood evening..
Good Evening ravii
DeleteHello Sunil,
ReplyDeleteMy bad... i am holding Axis bank since two days..but it is not participated i nthe rally today :)
But i exited near my buy price...
can we expect rally tomorrow also ?
Hi ravii, Nifty has strong resistance at 5945. If Nifty manages to sustain above 5945 (hourly closing) can head ahead to 5977 level. Overall Nifty is still range bound within 5885-5977 (closing basis).
DeleteRead: Technical View on Nifty as on 04/02/2013